IE 7 - Don't like it
I just installed IE 7 on my home server and tried it out. Let me say bluntly that I hate it. The UI is very different and I don't seem to have any option to move bars around. No, I don't mean the 'extra' bars like the Google toolbar or links. I'm talking about the standard toolbars that every browser has and needs. The file/edit/view options are not on top where they are in just about every Microsoft product. The home/page and other buttons are thrown all the way down and to the right of the new tab bar and the url entry form is right on top. This configuration sucks.
Maybe I'm totally wrong. Maybe Microsoft spent a billion dollars to poll average, non-programming people and found out that this is the layout they want. Maybe this is better for productivity in a business environment. Maybe I'm just in User Interface shock because of the radical change.
Bottom line is that I'm really not impressed and I doubt that the people who visit my site will be either. I've seen a very stead shrinking of the IE marketshare and this new version of IE feels very much too little, too late.
I've been using IE7 for near on 6 months, and while I totally agree about hating the layout at first, I'm now *mostly* comfortable with it. I hit Esc instead of going for the stop button, and I surprisingly find myself using the home button very little when making use of the Address Bar and/or Search bar to do searches (yeah, no more google home page).
It's annoying not to be able to move the command bar and the buttons on the address / search bar, but hopefully they will reconsider this in time. Everyone has been up in arms about it for months and Microsoft have just had to say that the UI is in feature lockdown, otherwise they'll never get the browser out the door. For now, the browser is surprisingly functional if you just give it a go.
I use firefox. A nice percentage of my users use Firefox (look at my stats post). The issue is not an expert like me or you. It's an issue of the common folk who would not normally use Firefox. If my mom feels that IE 7 is not what she's used to, she's going to ask me to give her something that looks like what she likes. And the end result is less people moving from IE 6 to 7 and those that are forced to move may well move to something else.
Everyone gets hung up on crome. That's why its there.
Try this..it should work..
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar\WebBrowser]
"ITBar7Position"=dword:00000001
http://enhanceie.com/ie/tweaks.asp
This website gives you tweaks like hiding the search bar and moving the file, edit etc to the top, but it misses the key one i was looking for by moving the google toolbar down to the bottom.
Hope It Helps You Guys,
CAJ
By the way, I don't use tabs. They're too darned confusing. I open all links in a new browser window and that's the way I want to keep it.
I understand that they had fire on their behind with the popularity of Firefox and needed to make a change. However, to the common everyday user like me, customizing something as simple as the layout, does not appear to change the command lines and programming of the actual piece of software and cannot imagine that being able to customize would crealy security treaths or vulnerabilities. Right?
This blog actually ranks pretty high when a google search is done related to tool bars. I encourage anybody who reads this to leave comments and link to it. Maybe someone at MS will eventually stumble across this and get a clue.
TO MICROSOFT PEOPLE: Stop jerking us around and let us modify how we set up the tool bar!!!
Oh... and by the way... the REAL REASON that only 2% of users modified the OFFICE toolbars was because the average user COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO MODIFY THEM.
Who the hell does MS hire for their research anyway?
In short... MS... ALLOW US TO MODIFY THE TOOLBARS THE WAY WE WANT IN IE 7.
Joshua ----
I just don't understand the Microsoft mentality that they are better positioned than users to decide how the UI should look. As it happens, this UI looks as though it was the first attempt from an amateur programmer, but even if this was a better UI, why over-ride the user's preferences?
Microsoft seems not to understand (and this seems to also apply to Office 2007, ribbons and the relative inability to customize ribbons) that users don't want to have to unlearn years of deeply ingrained habits, and relearn something new, just because Microsoft has decided a different approach is better. Personally I just want to keep on using the way I have for years (yes, I will do my best not to move to Office 2007).
I want to do this (keep with what I know) because every hour I spend getting used to something new is a waste of my time, especially if I don't think there is a benefit to the new design.
http://heffy.com/tutorials/ie7menu/ie7menu.html
Of course, maybe Microsoft let that info out so they can make huge reams of cash on the support calls from people who have screwed up their registry.
This was the last draw. I am moving to Firefox.
So it removes all the command bar buttons on the tab im on, BUT AS SOON AS I OPEN A NEW TAB OR A NEW IE WINDOW - THE BUTTONS ARE BACK THERE AGAIN!!!
I am honestly shocked that IE7 would spend millions of dollars developing this stupid thing and they could possibly screw it up this bad.
The ease of removing IE7 (& returning to IE6) was quite literally the only positive thing about my experience of IE7.
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What had me really scared--before I found this discussion--was the following page at microsoft.com:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/colu...
This was published in June and I take it as clear evidence that Microsoft--at one point in the Beta--did ALLOW what folks here have confirmed the shipping version does NOT ALLOW. Check out the screen shots. My version of IE7 certianly doesn't have all those options. Seems they must have ditched this stuff during the final build and, with breezy indifference, failed to correct their own web site. BTW, that page is the top result is you Google: internet explorer 7 toolbar customize
How many thousands of people around the planet are going to a. try to customize toolbar, b. get stuck, c. Google to that page, d. waste hours resolving the resulting contradictions?
No offense to the poor microserf who wrote that stuff--I have seen this before in Redmond. He probably asked them to take it down and they didn't. I was a Microsoft Vendor for a while and everyone I met there was really nice and very earnest, but very out of touch with reality. And the entities they worked for were all messed up. Classic case of a bunch of smart, well-intentioned people adding up to a dumb bunch of decisions.
One specific criticism I haven't seen elsewhere is that the row for the tabs appears to be fixed on the same line as the main buttons, giving decidedly less space to the tabs than you have in Firefox. Also, if you remove the traditional menu, the View command is gone. There is no button for it. So the only way to get the trad View menu item back is a right click in a select area of the tab/button bar.
Anyway, thanks again for restoring my sanity.
Stephen
Then there is the even more annoying tabs windows...ok you people may or may not like this feature in Firefox and IE7, but I absolutely cannot stand it as for the way I personally build my websites for example...when I go to preview mode, it pops up in another tab and before I know it, (unless I close each tab manually each time which pisses me right the hell off as well) I have 20 tabs opened! Also, I am ALWAYS (out of a long constructed habbit) clicking on the close tab and getting the "close tabs?" message when I still want what I was viewing to remain opened, but want to close the tab I clicked to close...there may be some settings for this, but at this point I dont even feel like looking for them.
Nah, you people can keep yer Firefoxes and yer IE7's.
I will stick to IE6 for ease of use and hope for the best security wise etc.
Seems like nothing gets any better, and everything keeps getting worse! :(
Whatever, I'm out!
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ie7. i DID NOT like the rearrangement of buttons and toolbars. and when i went to the ms site, how come >>I<< don't have 'classic menu' available in mine?????? everytime i wanted to hit 'back', i opened file instead. i got lazy eyes, the addy way at the top, doesn't work for me. and i hate firefox, and don't like the tabbing idea.
thank gawd all that was needed was uninstall windows ie7 from my control panel!
i'm only a beginner programmer, but for f'ng out loud, $#!+, even i know changing interfaces like that is stoopid!! tell the bozos redo the whole thing! (as if windows me wasn't a mistake, ie7 goes right with it!)
The escape(Esc) key does not function properly! Argh! It is so frustrating. Countless times since upgrading I have spammed the Esc key only to have the site I am going to continuing to load competely. Only once in a while does it actually stop loading when I press Esc. IE6 never gave me trouble. I noticed immediately after upgrading. Has anyone else had trouble with this?
Boy they really screwed this one up :(
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I had Panda and it was the best Antivirus I ever used for many years...then, near the end of last year it started acting like it had a virus itself and started skipping files like..it would be scanning the 12,493th file then skip to 200,000...I was like %@#$!!! After this it just ran and ran and ran to almost a million files and I only had about 150,000 files that it used to scan.
Well, finally, after trying like 10 antispyware programs and antiviruses, including Mcafee and Norton, none of which seemed to do much (Both JUNK, if you ask me) I decided to go back to Avast antivirus.I ran it, it found the virus called win32CTX and 14 other viruses. After these viruses were eliminated by Avast, a ton of PC problems went away (mainly my wireless drivers that kept crashing and getting low signal strength, and my PC restarting by itself!)
Anyways, my whole main point to this reply was, you will never see McAfee or Norton on my Machine, so you can all just add them, and all the rest of the garbage antivirus scanners out there to my despise list, right along with IE7.
If yer not going to use IE7 (and I hope you don't), then I think the best alternative is Opera.
Opera is a FAST browser and doesn't seem to have as many annoyances to me as Firefox does.
Anyway, try Avast antivirus people! They have 60 day free trial version and a FREE version as well!
Peace!
IE. GOOGLE SEARCH HAS BEEN MY FAVORITE SEACH ENGINE FOR A WHILE BUT NOW I'M BEGINING TO HATE IT. NO NOTIFICATION OF THE CHANGE WAS GIVEN TO ME. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS THE BLAME; MICROSOFT OR GOOGLE. I LIKE THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO CLICK THE PRINT ICON TO PRINT THINGS; I LIKED THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO CLICK MY FAFORITES TO ADD FAVORITES URL'S TO MY FAVORITE FOLDER AND TO ACCESS MY FAVORITE WEBSITES; I LIKE THE FACT THAT I HAD ACCESS TO FILE, EDIT, VIEW, FAVORITE, TOOL, AND THE HELP BUTTONS ON THE TOOL BAR. I DON'T LIKE THE EXTRA STEP OF ALT-A TO ACCESS ALL OF THE ABOVE. I VEHEMENTLY OPOSE THAT I'M BEING DEFAULTED TO EXCEPT THINGS I NEVER REQUESTED. NOW I HAVE TO SPEND MY TIME TO RETURN THINGS AS THEY WERE OR MAYBE CONSIDER USING FIREFOX. THIS IS UNDEMOCRATIC...
Second, always aviod installing the "malicious software removal tools" in updates. IT is basically a spyware tool that takes away things you have done with your PC that you want to keep (at least for me it is since I use key generations, serials, hacks etc.)
Thirdly, if an update pops up in the install process and asks you to read a license agreement, it usually means it is something fishy and you shouldn't install it for your own good. I always read these carefully and in the end, never install them since I know what happens.
Lastly, I am not sure why exactly you think google would have "taken over your IE" unless you installed some kinda funky update from Microsoft that I do not know of. But, you can change the settings for Google toolbar in the options menu on that bar and/or in the internet options menu. Try that first. I have a feeling you are getting upset for no reason about this.
Post back to let me know what you find out.
Google toolbar has always been my friend, but even google has stuff you don't want to install just like any other program really.
What bugs me the most, is that they have forced us into accepting 4 lines at the top of the screen. WASTED REAL ESTATE!! Nothing bugs me more then having to scroll down, on web pages to see junk, when if I could have had just two lines at the top. I would like to completely remove the top line, move the search to the right of help, as well as shrinking the search line, then have the tab line.
I would uninstall, but I did that once before and started getting many error messages linked to yahoo toolbar issues that I had to hunt down and fix.
ARRRRR...
I just gave IE7 another shot, and after finding out it cannot and will NEVER be configurable like IE6 (cannot use the gpedit fix, I have XP HOME) I'm ditching it to go back to 6. To heck with Gates and his programmers, if he locks it out, i'll go to Firefox or someone else for my browser. I did like the text enhancement feature, but its not enough reason to keep 7.
Sorry Micro$oft, you have lost another customer. I'll go freeware first.
much ease. I should have stayed with IE6, but like most people, we upgraded to the over hyped IE7..............never again!